Posts by Old Goat

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oh dear I think I messed up and pushed too hard

by Frazzled UBM in

reading all the posts on the wt study on higher education and careers really fired me up yesterday.

i have 2 undergraduate and 2 postgraduate degerees and a career as a result which allows me to provide well for my jw wife and son.

i was already unhappy because after 5 or 6 weeks of not going and appearing to be making progress she went back on sunday for the second sunday in a row and as usual was away all day.

Old Goat

If you're so inclined you may call me Dr. Old Goat. The "education" the WatchTower provides does not meet an academic standard.

The choice they present is between being a "servant" or pioneer and a good, solid education. If being an elder and living in poverty is more important to you than supporting your family, then by all means stay an elder. Do a thankless job for which you have been inadequately trained and for which you will not be thanked. Instead you'll be counseled in a steady stream of meaningless ways.

The WatchTower thinks education drives people from "the truth." I suppose it does. For the first time students must think at least marginally. The WatchTower is opposed to thinking of any sort.

Go get yourself educated.

Russell's early associates

by Old Goat in

i'm trying to help schulz and de vienne locate reseach material.

they are, as you may know, the authors of a biography of nelson barbour.

they are putting the finishing touches on the first volume of their next book, a history of russell and the watch tower up to about 1887. a third book is planned.. dr. de vienne tells me they have located a run of a. d. jones' magazine but can't afford the microfilm costs.

Old Goat

I'm trying to help Schulz and de Vienne locate reseach material. They are, as you may know, the authors of a biography of Nelson Barbour. They are putting the finishing touches on the first volume of their next book, a history of Russell and the Watch Tower up to about 1887. A third book is planned.

Dr. de Vienne tells me they have located a run of A. D. Jones' magazine but can't afford the microfilm costs. (Over 300 dollars she says.) They're located in Washington, D. C. As a poor second to reading through them, she would like to find a willing volunteer who would view the paper and take digital photos. If you can volunteer (I can't. Live on the wrong coast.) semd me a private message and I'll put you in touch with Dr. de Vienne.

She is also looking for any issues of H.B. Rice's Last Trump, published in Oakland CA back in 1879. I've never seen this.

She has some issues of Paton's World's Hope. She and Dr. Schulz would like to see more. If you have any, send me a private message and, again, i'll put you in touch.

I've lent them a number of things, but, while i have a descent library of my own, I don't have much of what they need. I hope one of you does.

There blog is here: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

Russell and Roller Skates

by Old Goat in

if you've read my previous posts, you know i'm a fan of the truth history blog.

their newest post is both interesting and a bit funny.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

russell's uncle and roller skates.

Old Goat

If you've read my previous posts, you know I'm a fan of the Truth History blog. Their newest post is both interesting and a bit funny.

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

Russell's uncle and roller skates. And high finance!

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Ever consider joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

by rawe in

has anyone here left jehovah's witnesses to join the churuch of jesus christ of latter-day saints?

what was your motivation for doing so and how has it worked out?.

if you haven't joined the lds or considered it, as an ex-jw, what is your general view of the lds faith?.

Old Goat

From a cult to a cult? Sweet ... well, maybe not.

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I want to marry a Witch the Brothers have no idea

by MysticMage in

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i am secretly in love with a woman who is a witch.. the brothers have on idea about this.. i am happy with her, the women from the hall never showed me true love.. .

what should i do ?.

Old Goat

OH MY GOD! if she gets angry, she'll turn you into a toad!

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To DA myself or to go to JC meeting, that is the question

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

i just got done with another visit at my home with two elders and even though i tried to say very little they took anything they could as a disagreement with them as enough to say they may call a jc meeting after they talk to the rest of the elder body.

so since they are planning on dfing me any way, i'm wondering if i should just write a letter or go through with their meeting?.

Old Goat

Do neither. Let it all rest on them. If they step over the line, appeal and give them heck. If you want to leave anyway, why give them power in your life? The only power they have is imagined.

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BESTSELLERS--who actually buys these things?

by Terry in

jw
friends

just think, rush limbaugh and bill o'reilly are knocking about on top of the bestseller list to the tune of 52,000+ copies each!.

i say, who buys these books?.

i've read killing lincoln, killing kennedy and killing jesus--but, i did it by sitting in the library--not by plopping down $20+ bucks each.. i only read one rush limbaugh book.. i use to be a political junkie but stopped cold turkey exactly 11 months ago.. i no longer watch any political programs or read any political books.. i'm a lot happier for it it, too.. .

Old Goat

I read four or five books in a week. I'm semi-retired. I buy my books at thrift shops, and I always wonder why someone paid thrity dollars for a book, left it unread and then donated it to a junk store. Unless it's something I need to prepare for a lecture, I never buy new.

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Have You Ever Met...Or KNOW...a GB Member?

by Cold Steel in

if so, what is your experience?

i've seen only a few talks by gb members and would like to hear what they're like.

are they personable, aloof, humble, arrogant?

Old Goat

Yes. They're all dead. I don't know any of the current crop. Knorr had two personaiities. He could be gracious and kind. Or he could be a bastard. Franz thought he was Christ's right hand man. MacMillan was a gem, personable, smart, funny. I"m having an old man moment and can't remember the name of the Scotsman and his wife, both of whom were fun, open people. Both dead now. I met Swingle only once and have no lasting impression.

The current bunch? I have no desire to meet any of them. They're apostates.

Old man moment from above: John Bar and wife.

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Is the WTS backing away from "Bible Tall Tales" ?

by Simon in

when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.

i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.

saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.

Old Goat

From Rutherford through Franz "prophetic types" played a significant role in Watchtower theology. Watchtower writers have moved away from seeing every bible event as a prophtic drama. When the commentary on Daniel was written much of that was dropped with the comment that it was historical matter and not prophetic. I rather liked the improbable prophetic applications. They were intertaining.

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Pastor Russell Part Snake Oil Salesman, Tightwad, And Fanatical Religious Writer

by frankiespeakin in

he developed a printing corporation in which he was able to expond on his fanatical bible interpetations in print.

having gained considerable wealth at an early age managing a chain of clothing stores for men, he reinvested his wealth and tried his hand at running a printing corporation in which a dooms day warning figured prominantly.. he kept his readers glued to his fanatical writings by giving dates for when the end of the world would come.

eventually due to his style of writting it wasn't long before his dedicated readers started calling him the faithful wise servant, which in turn increased profitablity of the corporation.

Old Goat

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/